May 17, 2005, pm: first phone-call between Dosanjh and Grewal
This is the first phone call recorded between Dosanjh and Grewal. It clearly comes after Grewal's meeting with Dosanjh and Murphy: it revisits several issues from that meeting such as how clear a 'deal' will be and the possibility of an apology from Volpe.
Here is the final transcript as published by the Conservatives.
Here is my transcript. Yellow marks words that are in the June 7th transcript, but absent in the May 31st tape. In red are words that I can hear that are not in either transcript.
GG [How're you? ]
UD [Are you alone?]
GG [Yeah, I'm alone now, we can talk. Earlier, I was busy with representatives of] small businesses.
UD [Tim told me to call.] I think, as I said earlier, no Prime Minister would ever want to compromise himself with that kind of,
UD And, and you saw that. And I, and I think that, that you know, from my perspective, I told you
GG No, no, he came directly.
UD No, not in the Cabinet, not in the Cabinet.
GG Ah, that's right.
GG Uh huh.
UD But then, that's a conversation for Tim, and you know that's how
UD Prime Minister is never going to say to you that I'll give you X and go say that I never said that. He has to have, you have to be able to say that I did not make a deal. That's very important. That's why these kinds of deals are not made in that, in that fashion. Um, so, if, if you think about it, if, if, if you think it is appropriate, what we're preparing to do, give me a call, you have my cell right?
UD My cell number — usually I have it with me, but I have …
GG (inaudible: 8 seconds)
UD The understanding has to be one, together. And, and, then, and if there is an understanding that then Volpe would happen before you speak. OK? Um, Volpe won't be difficult. The ethics commissioner, there is nothing we can do. It is an independent thing. (inaudible: 5 seconds) we can then … we can … get Volpe to talk to you and we'll try to prevail upon him. I'm obviously unable (inaudible) understanding, right?
GG [We want to talk with goodwill, it is stumbling block that should be out of the way irrespective of what we do.]
UD Volpe, will talk with him, but it will be a package deal, it has become part of the big thing. And, and, it has to happen. Because, the understanding has to be based (inaudible). Understanding is there then we will prevail upon, will try and prevail upon
GG [Whatever Ethics Commissioner is doing, let the Ethics Commissioner] handle it. [But whatever he said wrong, he created the mess deliberately.]
UD [I can understand you views, xxx xxx xxx] if we did not rest of the discussion, then I could have talked to Volpe, now
Yes. OK we will see, thank you bye bye.